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I have found that I am increasingly having difficulty with commonly-employed terminology…for example, I had a dialog with a conductor I know, who kept on using the word “atonal” to describe a plethora of composers we were discussing. One of them was Ligeti, and I was taken aback that he would describe a work like “Atmospheres” as “atonal”, when there are obvious tonal centers, tonal motion…just not traditional harmony, per se. So I went to Groves dictionary, and:
Atonality.
A term that may be used in three senses: first, to describe all music which is not tonal; second, to describe all music which is neither tonal nor serial; and third, to describe specifically the post-tonal and pre-12-note music of Berg, Webern and Schoenberg. (While serial music is, by the first definition, atonal, it differs in essential respects from other atonal music and is discussed in the articles Serialism and Twelve-note composition; it is, therefore, not considered here.)
...So in other words, the term is rather meaningless – I mean I’ve heard concertgoers use it to label anything that isn’t Mozart, or anything that employs a little dissonance. The word “atonal” really doesn’t tell you much about the particular piece you are discussing, just as the word “tonal” doesn’t because there are so many types of tonal music. When someone says that a work is written in “the tonal idiom”, I want to vomit. Not because I have anything against tonality, but hey, Dufay wrote music in “the tonal idiom” and so did Brahms. Are they really similar?
If you say the work in question is a “twelve-tone” work, that tells me something of how the work was constructed, but even then it is possible to write a twelve-tone composition that is thoroughly tonal, such as Schoenberg’s Opus 43b, or some works by George Perle. So "twelve-tone" doesn't tell me much about how a particular work will sound.
So if you say a work is “atonal” or “tonal” or “twelve-tone” or "experimental" or "folk music" or "classical" or whatever, just what do you mean?
Of course I could have spared you all these words, and simply pasted this link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprecise_language
Atonality.
A term that may be used in three senses: first, to describe all music which is not tonal; second, to describe all music which is neither tonal nor serial; and third, to describe specifically the post-tonal and pre-12-note music of Berg, Webern and Schoenberg. (While serial music is, by the first definition, atonal, it differs in essential respects from other atonal music and is discussed in the articles Serialism and Twelve-note composition; it is, therefore, not considered here.)
...So in other words, the term is rather meaningless – I mean I’ve heard concertgoers use it to label anything that isn’t Mozart, or anything that employs a little dissonance. The word “atonal” really doesn’t tell you much about the particular piece you are discussing, just as the word “tonal” doesn’t because there are so many types of tonal music. When someone says that a work is written in “the tonal idiom”, I want to vomit. Not because I have anything against tonality, but hey, Dufay wrote music in “the tonal idiom” and so did Brahms. Are they really similar?
If you say the work in question is a “twelve-tone” work, that tells me something of how the work was constructed, but even then it is possible to write a twelve-tone composition that is thoroughly tonal, such as Schoenberg’s Opus 43b, or some works by George Perle. So "twelve-tone" doesn't tell me much about how a particular work will sound.
So if you say a work is “atonal” or “tonal” or “twelve-tone” or "experimental" or "folk music" or "classical" or whatever, just what do you mean?
Of course I could have spared you all these words, and simply pasted this link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprecise_language
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Re: "Atonality"
Wed, November 22, 2006 - 4:30 PM'Atonal' vs. 'Freetonal'
'Atonal' has been loosely used to characterize any music that is what I would call 'non-modal' (tonality being, I would argue, a form of modular modality in which the prevailing/governing scale type is completely saturated with cadential fictae).
Some music merely ignores the conventions of modality/tonality, while other music deliberately eschews many of the defining devices and effects of modal/tonal music. This second type of music, especially including serialism, is the central reference point for all things 'atonal'.
It's not a very quick process, but I'm gradually persuading music theorists that serial atonality has more in common with tonality than it does with a lot of other non-modal music. To hear it in the way Arnold Schönberg implied we should hear it, we really have to hear the serial row and the sonroities that result from its various co-impositions as the partial de-verticalization of all possible non-tonics; the perpetual disideration of the resolute is an extension of the idea of the key-defining dominant chord. In this way, I hear (or at least have reason to try to hear) serialism as a sort of minimalization of Wagner's device in which dominant follows dominant, and in which that to which these dominants are heard as to be pointing is seldom, if ever, actually heard. In both cases(Wagner and Schönberg), the assumption is that we hear the dominant (and other putative non-tonics) as necessarily pointing to a tonic. This was probably almost entirely true of people in Wagner's world and Schönberg's world, but is less true today, and a lot of people (Americans especially, I think) don't quite 'get it', due to our greater exposure to overtly modal and nonwestern musics, and things like Debussy and Stravinsky. The blues, in particular, is characterized specifically by one dominant being followed by precisely the wrong next-dominant according to European tonal grammar, and the scale content is usually the opposite of anything we might hear as 'corrective' ('corrective' might include Mahler's leading tones added to dominant chords).
Depending upon in which language you study, you may be exposed to terms that more accurately translate as 'free-tonal' rather than 'atonal'. This is a more loose idea, even to the extent that it could include instances of the effects of tonality. Berg's work is quite like this. Tonality and 'atonality' co-mingle to whatever extent he seems to think will best facilitate his chosen narrative at any particular point.
I don't think of Ligeti as being 'atonal', but a lot of his work could probably be fairly described as 'free-tonal'; strong scale implications tend to result from most of his pitch choices, so it's fair to assume that he's using scales... he just doesn't let them use him.
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Re: "Atonality"
Thu, December 14, 2006 - 2:40 PMFreetonal - I like that.
To me, Atonal would imply a piece in which all the elements are unpitched, or at least most of the elements, or the foundation of the piece. But I guess that's not the precedent.
Similarly, Arrhythmic shouldn't be applied to pieces that are irregularly or non- periodic, but to pieces lacking all horizontal puctuation!
Everyone use freetonal from now on!
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Re: "Atonality"
Tue, January 9, 2007 - 10:09 AM'Freetonal' or its equivalent is already in use in some languages, and has been from the start, more or less.
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